Tsinghua versus Berkeley

UC Berkeley is far better known than Tsinghua University, the best university in China. Of course, Berkeley’s prestige rests on research and graduate teaching. At the undergraduate level things are quite different. Tsinghua probably has the smartest undergraduates in the world (1 in 10,000 students who take a national test get in); Berkeley isn’t close.

At Tsinghua, every department is assigned a quota of undergraduate majors (e.g., 100) that is the maximum number of undergraduates in that major. The departments fight over this number: Every department wants to increase it. I use italics because the situation at Berkeley (and probably every other American research university) is the opposite: Everyone fights to do as little undergraduate teaching as possible.

I learned these facts from a visiting professor at Tsinghua. Why is the situation so different at Tsinghua than in America? “They’re fun to teach,” he said, meaning the undergraduates. “No one ever says that at Berkeley,” I said. Later I learned he was a visiting professor from Berkeley. Implicit in his comment was that both of us knew that the Berkeley undergraduates are not fun to teach.

That little comment — “They’re fun to teach,” which was said a bit ruefully, acknowledging that Berkeley, where he spends most of his time, was much different — expresses in a nutshell what’s wrong with all American higher education. Berkeley undergraduates would be fun for someone to teach. I liked many of them. They have many good qualities. But very few of them want to be professors; nor do their talents usually lie in that direction. Forcing them to be taught by people (professors) who really only know something (how to be professors) that their students don’t want to learn, and forcing Berkeley professors to teach students who don’t want to learn the only thing they really know, is just a recipe for unpleasantness and low-level misery on both sides (professor and student). That’s exactly what professors and students feel most of the time.

Just as drug companies hide the side effects of their drugs, both professors and students hide the side effects of this life-wasting situation. At Berkeley, few non-professors know the vast array of deals that are struck to reduce one’s undergraduate teaching. In Psychology, there has been long-lasting resentment that you can’t use grant money to buy your way out of teaching. Students hide how much cheating goes on. A Penn student told me: No student project at Penn is completely honest. At Berkeley, surveys have revealed high amounts of cheating. Few outsiders know the low level of lecture attendance at Berkeley.

A better system would be one that helped Berkeley undergraduates — not to mention the students at every other American college — be in contact with people who would enjoy teaching them. (And in that situation, I’m sure their many non-academic talents, which professors usually didn’t notice, would shine.) Simple as that. The current system hinders that contact. Columbia University has taken a step in the right direction by having no classes on Friday, making it easier for students to do internships. When I taught a class that helped Berkeley undergraduates learn what they wanted to learn, my colleagues complained. According to them, my students weren’t learning proper psychology. It’s true, they weren’t. My students were learning what they themselves wanted to learn instead of what some professors thought they should learn. My approach was about a thousand times more effective in producing learning but my colleagues had lived in darkness so long they could no longer see light.

High School Graduation Confidential: Lack of Stories Speaks Volumes

In the 1920s a young woman moved to an isolated North Carolina town in part to oversee construction of a church. When she suggested that it be built out of stones from a nearby river, the locals laughed. It wasn’t possible to build buildings out of stone, they said. Their ancestors had done so (in Europe); they had forgotten. Jane Jacobs tells this story in Cities and the Wealth of Nations.

Unsophisticated villagers, huh? Yesterday I went to a high school graduation. A private high school in Los Angeles. There were six speakers: two adults, the school’s headmaster and a history teacher, and four students. Here’s what was so strange: No one told any stories. (One of the students told the beginning of a story.) The headmaster speaks at every graduation. The history teacher has given hundreds of lectures. Neither of them, apparently, knew to tell a few stories in that situation. No wonder the students didn’t know. Long ago, before cheap books, I’m sure everyone knew this basic point about public speaking. Now it’s as if no one knows it. What a vast forgetting!

I was surprised, but maybe I shouldn’t have been. Made to Stick sort of says the same thing. One of the authors, a Stanford professor, asked his students to rate a bunch of short talks. Their ratings had no correlation with how memorable the talks were. In other words, the students had no idea what made a talk memorable. They thought a good talk meant you told a joke. What actually made talks memorable were stories, the research showed.

Even Edward Tufte, a presentation expert, seems to not understand this. In his complaints about PowerPoint, he doesn’t tell any stories, doesn’t say anything about PowerPoint’s lack of encouragement of stories, and doesn’t say that students should be taught to tell stories (preferably by example).

I’m giving a talk next week. It’s going to be one story after another, which is not what I would have said before that graduation.

For Whom Do Law Schools Exist?

In the Freakonomics blog, Ian Ayres, a Yale law professor, described a Law Revue skit at his school:

A group of students [were] sitting at desks, facing the audience, listening to a professor drone on. All of the students were looking at laptops except for one, who had a deck of cards and was playing solitaire. The professor was outraged and demanded that the student explain why she was playing cards. . . . She answered, “My laptop is broken.”

Not bad. The professors in the audience were stunned.

The skit was “several years ago.” I wondered how Ayres would manage to connect revelation of a timeless truth about higher education (see For Whom Do Colleges Exist?) with something new. Here’s how:

Saul Levmore, the dean at the University of Chicago Law School, has recently announced an end to classroom surfing.

The big truth behind the little joke was . . . hard to see. Or at least hard for professors to see. The big truth is that law schools, like most institutions of higher education, are run in dozens of ways that benefit professors at the expense of students. Boring lectures are one example. In response to a small revelation of this big truth, Dean Levmore — presumably after consultation with many other law school professors — created another example of how law schools are run for professors rather than students.

Difficulty with basic concepts at Duke and UC Berkeley.

More. I suppose solitaire is still okay at the University of Chicago since it doesn’t involve surfing.

Should Those Who Are Part of the Problem Be Part of the Solution?

At a press conference about endangered salmon, I met Heather Hardcastle, who works at Taku River Reds, a fishing company in Juneau, Alaska. She went to graduate school at Duke in 2002 where she studied marine conservation biology. “Everyone thought fishermen were bad,” she told me. “I’d grown up in a fishing family, so to them I was a bad person. Most of the students thought of themselves as environmentalists — as if I wasn’t.”

What a failure of education. Surely people who make their living fishing would suffer the most if fish runs out; and surely people who have spent a lifetime fishing might know something useful to fish preservationists. Somehow this escaped the majority of the Duke students and, apparently, their professors. At the end of The Shangri-La Diet, I mention this problem: the idea that business is the enemy. In the case of obesity, of course, lots of people think that big food companies are the enemy. Well, yes, it’s pretty clear that big food companies are responsible for the obesity epidemic — but maybe that means they should be more involved in the solution, not less?

Stephen Dubner interviewed me in my office to write about me in the Freakonomics column. I mentioned a discussion I’d had with a friend about the Enola Gay controversy at the Smithsonian; my friend and I thought it was unfortunate, I told Dubner, that neither of us knew someone on the other side of the argument. Dubner said that a lot of reporters at the New York Times wrote about military stuff, but hardly anyone at the Times that he knew had even visited West Point, which was less than 60 miles away.

Middle School Visit

On Monday I visited a cooking/gardening class at Willard Middle School in Berkeley. One student told me it was his favorite class. “Why?” I asked. “Because you can talk,” he said. He and two friends were standing by a stove. They were making grits and waiting for the water to boil. Out in the vegetable garden — the students are divided into three groups, and one groups spends the class period in the garden — another student told me it was his favorite class, too. “Why?” I asked. “Because you can move around,” he said. I was very impressed. Two different students say the class is their favorite — for two different simple non-obvious reasons. The cooking and gardening program at Willard is run by Matt Tsang, who has been at Willard ten years.

Later that day I saw a slide show of architecture theses. One slide showed a page of a thesis that said: “Work with nature, not against it.”

Maybe middle school students have strong desires to talk and move around. Maybe “work with nature” means, in that context, teaching in such a way that students can talk and move around. Maybe classes can be set up so that the existence of those desires makes learning easier rather than more difficult. Like swimming with the current rather than against it. In the typical Willard class students can’t talk and move around. And teaching at Willard is hard; the average teacher lasts only five years.

The existence of the slide in the slide show showed that work with nature, not against it needs to be learned; it wasn’t obvious. Nothing like that is taught in schools of education, I’m pretty sure.

How Things Begin (conference-call classes about Indian philosophy)

Waiting for a BART train I met Krishna Kashyap, a San Diego businessman, who teaches classes on Indian philosophy by conference call. He was born in India and studied philosophy there before he came to America.

There are many such classes. About 15 years ago, a Berkeley student named Mani Varadarajan started a listserv called bhaktilist, which allowed people who were interested in Vaishnava Vedanta to contact each other and exchange ideas. This is how the conference-call classes began. Bhaktilist no longer exists, but many lists came from it, including srirangasri@yahoogroups.com and oppiliappan@yahoogroups.com. There are several thousand people on these lists.

Kashyap himself recently stopped teaching classes so that he would have more time to learn. He is now taking classes with a teacher named K. S. Varadachar. He dials his number in India at a particular time. Other people can dial in as well. They listen and ask questions. “I got isolated from my community when I came to this country 20 years ago,” Kashya said. “Reading books is not enough. There wasn’t any other way to communicate [besides the conference calls]. When I wanted to learn I had to get teachers from India.”

Now there are 4 or 5 classes simultaneously; they meet by phone once/week, using freeconferencecall.com. The Indian lecturers don’t get paid or at least such is the convention. They are given an end-of-term “gift,” called sambhavana, that is $200-$1000.

A vast amount about Indian philosophies is here.

How different from American higher education! People learn easily, without coercion, without threats, without punishments, without external rewards, if they see their teacher as a guru. The American term for guru, of course, is motivational speaker.

Interview with Kamran Nazeer (part 5: the end)

ROBERTS You enjoyed reading, I assume.

NAZEER Yes. That’s true.

ROBERTS So your language development was retarded, even though you enjoyed reading. That’s unusual, I would think.

NAZEER I certainly didn’t enjoy reading at that age. I didn’t read much at all when I was a kid. I started reading a lot more when I was older.

ROBERTS Reading was something that you discovered you enjoyed relatively late in life.

NAZEER Yes.

ROBERTS So, while the other second graders are reading their books, you were not.

NAZEER No, I wasn’t.

ROBERTS Huh. So, did you have any other abilities? I think it’s common enough for people to develop late. There’s a word for it: late bloomers. We don’t normally hear this word in reference to autism. But you know more about it than I do. Is this a common developmental trajectory in autism? The person starts out slow, but slowly and surely passes everyone else?

NAZEER I’m not sure about the passing everyone else, and I’m not sure that’s the case with me, either.

ROBERTS Well, you are an extremely good writer.

NAZEER I chose to focus on a particular skill. What you’re seeing is the result of me having chosen to focus on that. So I’m more uncomfortable with the surpassing idea, but on your idea of developing late, I think that probably is true. I think that autistic young people find it very, very difficult to develop certain skills, but with the right support, they can develop them; they just often develop them much later and much more slowly than other kids.

ROBERTS Well, it helps to have many different kinds of people in the world, with many different kinds of brains, because we need many different skills to have a well-functioning economy. So from that point of view, the fact that autistic kids have different skills, or different abilities, let’s put it that way, makes a lot of sense, because then they’ll grow up to be adults who can do things the result of us can’t. But that’s really different from the idea that they’ve got a handicap that they’ve got to spend the rest of their life trying to overcome. Your story, in your book, suggests there are certain things that autistic kids can do as adults that other people can’t.

NAZEER I don’t think I am suggesting that.

ROBERTS You probably didn’t write the book with that in mind, obviously, but do you think that’s fair?

NAZEER No, I think, on the whole, it’s not fair because most autistic adults, even as adults, even though they might have developed the confidence to do certain things well, experience often quite profound difficulties. Everybody who’s in the book still has quite profound difficulties of one sort or another. So I don’t think it’s at all the case that all autistic adults, or even most, completely overcome the difficulties that they have. But that said, I think there is particular aspects of the condition of autism which might mean you have a particularly good focus on detail, which might suit you very well for certain types of jobs. It may mean that you think in a very structured way, which again, may suit you for particular jobs. I think another thing that comes about for autistic people is because they know that they have to work harder at things than other people, that kind of leads to a certain determination and resourcefulness and kind of reliance on being logical, which again, suits you for certain kinds of jobs.

ROBERTS Thanks very much for your time.

NAZEER Thanks, it was an interesting discussion.

Kamran Nazeer is the pen name of Emran Mian. He is the author of Send In the Idiots: Stories From the Other Side of Autism. Interview directory

Interview with Kamran Nazeer (part 4)

ROBERTS What about your case? Did that happen in your case? Your special skill seems to be language, but — what do I know?

NAZEER Yes, maybe that’s it. It’s a certain kind of precision of expression. Or not even a precision of expression, but an agility of expression, which for me, in the first place, came about because of learning how to write well. Then, from learning how to write well, it turned into being able being able to speak well about particular topics. Whereas I’m not so good at being in a meeting with 12 people and trying to get what I want out of that meeting, I’m better at writing a very persuasive email to 12 people.

ROBERTS A less-useful skill. So your teachers recognized your language ability, your early teachers?

NAZEER No, because at that stage I didn’t have it.

ROBERTS You didn’t have it?

NAZEER What my early teachers helped me to do was to develop it, was to put me on the first steps of the ladder towards having it.

ROBERTS What did they do?

NAZEER Well, to begin with, it was very simple things, like giving, kind of forcing me to say particular words, showing me flash cards again and again until I would use particular words, beginning by kind of letting me be able to point to things when I wanted them and then actually withholding them until I would actually say the name of the thing. So there were techniques of that sort. There were also techniques of encouraging me to talk to other kids in the school who were at a similar position in their language development to me, so that we weren’t being over-awed in talking to much more linguistically agile kids, or fully linguistically developed adults, but in fact we were talking to people who were in a similar linguistic position to ourselves. That helps linguistic development.

ROBERTS So you’re saying that, by certain measures, you were linguistically behind. Your language development was retarded relative to other kids.

NAZEER It certainly was. I didn’t start speaking until I was about 6 years old.

ROBERTS It wasn’t because you thought it was boring, or anything.

NAZEER No, not at all, no, no.

ROBERTS So somehow, at some point, you caught up. Is that true?

NAZEER Yes.

ROBERTS So at some point, you caught up. You started off more slowly, and then you caught up, and then you surpassed.

NAZEER I’m not sure I surpassed, but yeah, I’ll agree with the “caught up” bit.

ROBERTS Well, you wrote a book. Very few people write a book, and not only that, your book is very well written, which is much rarer.

NAZEER But I chose to focus on writing as a skill that I wanted to develop and I worked hard at it in the same way that somebody else might focus on becoming an electrician, and work very hard at it, and they’d become much better at wiring than I’d ever be, possibly. But for me, writing is very much that thing; it’s a craft. It’s something I decided I wanted to be good at, and then I spent a lot of time learning to be good at it.

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Interview with Kamran Nazeer (part 3)

ROBERTS This is a big theme of your book, right, sort of a difference in attention. To my way of taking it, you didn’t have any lesson you were trying to teach the readers of your book. You were just trying to tell four stories, or five stories. But reading the stories, someone like me says “Oh my God, how can this be?” Not exactly that, but I felt like this wasn’t something that was supposed to be. There was a recent piece in the news about how kids who are disruptive in kindergarten grown up fine; they grow up without problems. One of the founding assumptions of our society is that things that we say are bad are harmful. They go together so well, right: harmful and bad? If your child has a problem, then presumably they’re going to grow up in some kind of bad way, and something bad is going to happen to them as an adult. But your book didn’t support that assumption, because these kids grow up to be unusual adults, but not terribly impaired, or anything. Is that a fair reading of your book?

NAZEER I think that’s a fair reading. The gloss that I think I would add to it is what happened to them in childhood was incredibly important. What was important about it was all the people in the book, what they have in common was that they all received the diagnosis very early on and received very early and very good intervention. That was fundamentally important to their success in later life. So autistic kids who don’t get the diagnosis early on, and don’t get the help that they need — and I’ll resist the word deficits, because I don’t think they are deficits — to understand the world better and to overcome the kind of differences that they have, then those kids actually do struggle. Whereas I think the kids in the book struggle less because they were lucky enough to get a diagnosis early on and get very good help early on.

ROBERTS I see. So this was unusual, the timing of the diagnosis.

NAZEER It’s usual now. It’s now thankfully becoming much more common for kids to be diagnosed at the age of three or four. It’s now becoming much more common for kids to actually get a decent level of education. It’s still not common enough, but it’s much more common than it was in the early 80s, when we were all at school.

ROBERTS What would have happened if the level of schooling had been worse, or less appropriate?

NAZEER I think it would have taken them a lot longer to overcome — and I don’t use this word in a perjorative way — overcome their disabilities. It would have taken than a lot longer to develop their language abilities, to develop useful hierarchies of sense data, and develop a sense of confidence about themselves, which I think is really fundamentally important as well. I think one of the big benefits of early intervention for autistic children is they begin to get a sense of things that they can do. And getting a sense of things that you can do then in turns builds a sense of confidence in yourself. So it means that even when you’re 13 and you’ve had a really really bad day, you can still remind yourself that you have had moments of progress, and there are things you can do at 13 that you weren’t able to do when you were 11.

ROBERTS What is an example of these things that you can do?

NAZEER Sometimes it can be very, very simple things. For Elizabeth, it was things as simple as teaching herself how to ride a bike. For somebody who perhaps was at the higher-functioning end of autism, somebody like Craig, that sense of confidence came from being able to write a good essay. So even though he might have still very profound social difficulties, because he knew that there was this thing that he was good at doing, that gave him a certain sense of confidence, even when it came to activities that he found much more challenging.

ROBERTS So you’re saying the way he was taught helped him to be confident, because somehow, his ability to write an essay was stressed, or something? Is that what you’re saying?

NAZEER Right. I think that’s what I’m saying. I think, in that sense, autisticyoung people aren’t any different from anybody else. I think, ultimately, nobody ever becomes brilliant at everything; we all become decent at some things, but being decent at some things gives us the confidence to try out things that we’re not so good at.

ROBERTS I think you’re right. I think that’s the incredibly important thing about education: to help people figure out that there are some things that they’re good at.

NAZEER People end up being good at different things. That is what I think — your deficit and difference opposition comes into play, which is that autistic people may well be different — may well be good at other things to other people. But as long as they get to the position where they feel comfortable, capable, and confident in doing some things, then that gives them confidence in functioning socially.

ROBERTS So they need schooling in which their abilities are recognized and developed and encouraged.

NAZEER That’s right.

ROBERTS That’s what you seem to be saying: that if autistic kids have different skills, then they have to have teachers who know how to develop and recognize those skills.

NAZEER That’s exactly it.

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